Chef’s Nook: Simplicity Is the Rule for Mario Rizzotti

  • On this 2018 interview with Mario Rizzotti, the Iron Chef America decide mirrored on his profession and the way getting fired from one job made him a hit.
  • Rizzotti, who was born in Rome, additionally talked about “genuine Italian” versus “American-Italian” delicacies and named a few of his favourite components to work with.

The Nineteen Eighties was an period of extra in America. It translated to all points of our lives: possessions, wealth, the variety of totally different hair gels we owned, even our pizzas. We began piling on the toppings to get extra bang for our buck. However, fortunately, the world has since realized that generally much less is extra, whether or not in our private lives or private pizza diets. Harkening again to the early days of pizza, a meals invented to feed the plenty cheaply, People are greedy simplicity as soon as once more. Mario Rizzotti of Chicago, famed culinary decide of Iron Chef America, emcee and model ambassador, talked to PMQ’s Brian Hernandez concerning the significance of simplicity in recipes and high quality components. We additionally realized slightly extra about how Mario was in a position to climb by means of the ranks of culinary stardom to change into the well-known determine he’s at present and why it’s essential to supply genuine Italian components earlier than you name your self a purveyor of “true Italian pizza.”

(Editor’s be aware: PMQ’s Brian Hernandez interviewed Mario Rizzotti in early 2018. We’re revisiting it right here as a result of Rizzotti shared a variety of knowledge that’s extra related at present than ever. The interview has been condensed and edited for readability and conciseness. Scroll down to observe the complete video or click on right here.)

Brian: Thanks a lot for taking the time to sit down with us at present, Chef Mario. I actually recognize it. 

Mario: No drawback, Brian, however I’d recognize to be known as an Italian culinary professional, since I by no means went to culinary college, and the one ones who will be known as “chef” are culinary college graduates. I at all times say, simply name me Mario, as a result of the one one you may name “Chef,” for my part, is Chef Boyardee.

Brian: Ha-ha! After all, Mario, no drawback. I really feel the identical manner. I desire simply Brian as effectively.  I need to leap proper into it at present and let our readers discover out extra about you and your roots within the culinary world.

Mario: Superb, let’s go.

Brian: So, what’s your earliest pizza reminiscence? The primary that involves thoughts whenever you consider pizza?

Mario: I can let you know, Brian, I believe I obtained pizza earlier than I obtained milk. Being born and raised in Italy, it is among the essential meals everyone seems to be making. Both your mama is making it or your neighbors are making it. Otherwise you exit and purchase it by the slice, like I used to do, al taglio model. I’ve to be sincere: As quickly as I used to be in a position to chew on one thing, one of many first meals would have been pizza, little question about it.

Brian: So, was it the style, the scent or simply the supply that drew you to pizza initially?

Mario: I believe I’m fortunate as a result of I used to be born in Italy, the house of pizza. So, there have been no worries on the place to seek out it or what sort of pizza it will be. That’s why I attempt to inform everyone, you’re fortunate when you’re born in Italy. You’ll be able to at all times discover one thing new in pizza on daily basis. I’m fairly positive we’ve had Roman-style pizza there because the Roman Empire, if you understand what I imply, but it surely’s at all times altering.

Brian: So, you’re from Rome initially?

Mario: I used to be born and raised in Rome, however I additionally grew up in Gaeta, which is slightly south of Rome. Gaeta may be very well-known as a result of it has an exquisite clear, one-mile stretch of seashore. It’s additionally the house of Gaeta olives, which, as any of you pizzaiolos know, are nice olives to make use of in your pizzas.

Brian: How did you get began within the restaurant business? What was your first job?

Mario: Once I got here [to the U.S.] 23 years in the past, I began to scrub dishes in a small restaurant in Glenview, Illinois, known as Trattoria Ginotto. That was my first place to work. I began working there as a result of I used to be on trip visiting a good friend, and he stored telling me individuals weren’t displaying up for shifts and asking if I may assist out. In order that’s how I obtained my job there: from coming right here on trip and filling in for workers. That’s additionally the place I obtained the fervour for genuine Italian delicacies, as a result of, as you understand, we’ve got a variety of nice American-Italian delicacies on this nation, in addition to American-Italian pizza, however we don’t have as many genuine Italian locations in all of the 50 states.

Brian: Now, wait, we’ve got a variety of genuine Italian locations.

Mario: Sure, however not really genuine. It’s solely within the title. As you understand, in Italy, there isn’t a fettucine Alfredo, rooster vesuvio, meatballs on high of pasta, Italian beef.  This is the reason I took it to coronary heart to start out touring across the nation now to attempt to educate individuals to know the distinction between, let’s say, a Ferrari…and a crimson automobile.

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Brian: I get it. The identical manner there aren’t any fortune cookies in China. It’s a very Americanized model of an ethnic delicacies.  What was the worst pizzeria/restaurant job you had whenever you first came visiting right here?

Mario: I imagine that, good or unhealthy, all of those positions led me to the place I’m in my life, so speaking unhealthy about them shouldn’t be going to assist me. So, with that, I wish to say, “Thanks for having such a grimy kitchen, and thanks for forcing me to have to depart your house and go to the following place, which opened up the door for me to be the place I’m proper now!” Which is being a decide on Iron Chef and an Italian culinary professional.

I want, at instances, individuals may change the doorway of their eating places from the entrance door to the again door by means of the kitchen. Then, you possibly can see if the kitchen is absolutely clear and handled with as a lot, really extra respect, than the entrance of the home is. It could hold all of the kitchens far cleaner.

Brian: I like that reply! Have them are available in by means of the again [entrance] to allow them to see the place their meals is coming from earlier than they even sit down. That’s an important philosophy for individuals: “Count on each buyer to enter by means of the kitchen.” On the opposite aspect of this coin, what’s the greatest restaurant job you’ve had?

Mario: The restaurant jobs that I went by means of, I contemplate all of them the most effective, and I’ll let you know why. If it wasn’t for every one in every of them, once more, I wouldn’t be the place I’m proper now. Years in the past, I labored at Gordon, a high quality eating institution in Chicago, underneath Gordon Sinclair. It was an important place. I realized rather a lot about the way to run a restaurant. However most likely the most effective of the most effective, I can say, is once I obtained fired from a restaurant on Taylor Road, and that really opened up my doorways to a brand new job at a meals firm, which led to my work on Iron Chef due to my ardour and my data about Italian components.

Brian: So, your greatest job is the one you bought fired from, that led you to the trail that you simply’re on now? 

Mario: Nicely, primary, that’s the one one I obtained fired from. Quantity two, it was for a mistake they found later. However I stated, “You already know what? Thanks for letting me comprehend it was a mistake, but additionally thanks for firing me as a result of if it wasn’t for you, I wouldn’t be the place I’m proper now.”

Brian: What have been another stops alongside the way in which, after that firing, in your path to the Meals Community?

Mario: I did work at Academia Barilla for a number of years at one level. There, I developed data for genuine Italian components. As you understand, there’s a large distinction between what’s actual Italian and what’s pretend, and my job proper now’s to journey the nation and educate individuals on the distinction. To be true Italian, it should state the three magic phrases, that are “Product of Italy.” If it solely says “made in Italy,” “packed in Italy,” or “imported from Italy”…I’m sorry to say, there may be not a lot “Italian” in there.

Now, sooner or later I used to be doing a celebration at Chef Artwork Smith’s home, who was once the non-public chef for Oprah Winfrey, and I used to be launched to this gentleman that occurred to be the vice chairman of the Meals Community. And due to my ardour, they wished me to strive an episode of Iron Chef, and right here we’re: I’m a decide on Iron Chef America!

Brian: At this level, what’s the greatest success you’ve had, business-wise, that will translate to our readers’ companies?

Mario: The primary factor individuals can apply to their pizzerias, or actually any enterprise, is rarely let go. I imply, I used to be a dishwasher 23 years in the past, however I wasn’t planning on remaining a dishwasher. Quantity two, there may be one ingredient by no means listed in any recipe, however you will notice it in my new cookbook [coming out in 2019], and that’s ardour. If you’re not enthusiastic about what you do, it actually is not going to be a illustration of your self. When you do it simply because it’s important to do it, it’s by no means going to style nearly as good as when it’s coming out of your coronary heart.

Brian: What’s one mistake you’ve made whereas rising your small business and model through the years that somebody can apply to their pizzeria?

Mario: So, pizza-wise, and really for any enterprise, I’d inform individuals, when you will have your time off, take that time off. It’s a mistake I made again and again in my very own enterprise. When you have a time off, keep house, spend it with your loved ones and shut off your cellphone. Hopefully, you’ve accomplished an important job constructing the enterprise and coaching staff. When you have a time off and are at all times frightened that one thing will go unsuitable when you’re not there, the primary drawback is that you possibly can not discover the appropriate assist. Quantity two, sadly, is that they have been most likely not educated proper. However the greatest tip is, take your break day, as a result of these moments with your loved ones, your youngsters, your canine…they aren’t going to come back again.

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Brian: These are phrases to stay by. So, whenever you cook dinner and entertain, what conjures up your recipes? What conjures up you to get again to the fundamentals and simply cook dinner?

Mario: Initially, I simply need to say this out loud: I’m uninterested in listening to individuals say, “That is my recipe.” You suppose that, over 2,017 years, nobody has accomplished it earlier than you? It’s not your recipe, it’s most likely a recipe you set your individual twist on. Due to this fact, I prefer to give you recipes which can be near my coronary heart, my roots and my origin. I attempt to assist individuals perceive that simplicity is the important thing to my recipes. My mother used to say, “Six components are probably the most you are able to do for Italian delicacies. However watch out, as a result of six components, are already two too many.” This interprets to pizza. Once I go right into a pizzeria that has too many toppings on a pie, I’m asking, “What are you planning to style on this? With too many components, you aren’t positive what flavors you’re presupposed to be tasting.”

Brian: If there may be one factor you’ll inform these operators to try for, moreover “much less is extra” and high quality components, what would it not be?

Mario: I’d say, as an alternative of placing “Italian Pizza” in your entrance door, put “Italian-Fashion Pizza” or “Italian-Impressed Pizza,” as a result of right here within the U.S., it won’t be the identical. It’s not as a result of the pizzaiolo shouldn’t be good, but it surely’s the distinction in components.

Brian: Nice recommendation, Mario. This brings us to the “Scott Wiener Lightning Spherical,” so named as a result of he was the primary poor soul to recommend it and be subjected to it. I offers you three components that I’ve not talked about earlier than, and you should give you a recipe or pie you’ll put them on.  You prepared?

Mario: I’ve been ready for this. Let’s go!

Brian: OK, right here we go: Capers.

Mario: Undoubtedly they go on a pleasant pizza. You need to use them with some arugula. You’ll be able to really make a bruschetta pizza. You’ll be able to combine the contemporary tomatoes and capers and high the pizza with that when you’re accomplished. It’s a really, excellent ingredient. I keep in mind me and my brother being in control of going to select the capers after we have been younger. They’re an important ingredient, slightly misunderstood like anchovies, however one which retains that saltiness.  So, let’s invent an “Italian-inspired” pizza proper now known as the Pizza Bruschetta with chopped tomatoes and capers. However it’s easy, simply these few components. The extra you set in, the tougher it’s to discern tastes. Like with fusion delicacies: I at all times say, “Fusion is confusion.”

Pizza with capers and anchovies called Pizza Napoli
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Brian: Okay, this one would possibly take you a second: Broccoli rabe.

Mario: Broccoli Rabe…hmmm. That’s undoubtedly a pie with contemporary mozzarella and broccoli rabe on high. It’s a method you discover rather a lot on Naples. I’d put the mozzarella, the broccoli rabe, and I’d additionally add anchovies. And you understand what? I’m going so as to add capers too.

Brian: Let’s see if we are able to journey you up within the third and closing spherical. This one might be extra Americanized as a pizza ingredient: corn.

Mario: Ciao! (Will get out of his chair and walks away).

Brian: Ooohh, I misplaced him. I’m sorry, of us, that was Mario Rizzotti of Chicago…oh, it appears he’s coming again!

Mario: You already know what I’d do? The worst-case state of affairs, I’d combine it within the dough and create one thing new that has nothing to do with Italian pizza. Making one thing like a sweet-corn pizza dough. Or, second strive, we’d do an Italian-style pizza dough, and use some arugula and corn on the highest with some further virgin olive oil on the finish simply to complete it up.

Brian: I like the thought of incorporating it into the crust. Very distinctive. However I like each of these concepts. You probably did spectacular within the “Scott Wiener Lightning Spherical.”

Mario: Thanks. And whenever you go to in Chicago, I’ll have a brand new pizza for you strive: the Capers, Broccoli Rabe and Corn pizza.

Brian: Don’t overlook the anchovies!

Mario: I always remember the anchovies.

Brian: What was the most effective dish you will have ever judged on Iron Chef?

Mario: I’d should say the most effective dishes have been those made within the battle with Parmigiano-Reggiano when it was on the present. They have been undoubtedly the most effective I attempted in a very long time. That ingredient got here round twice, the second time with totally different cooks, and all of the dishes from each instances have been incredible. I keep in mind Mario Batali put some pasta into this large wheel of Parmigiano-Reggiano and lit it on fireplace with some Grappa, and the flavour profiles that got here out of that have been superb.

Brian: What concerning the worst dish?

Mario: The worst, and I’m sorry to my good good friend Emma Hearst [for saying this]. She was the youngest competitor on the time to be on Iron Chef. She is a  very gifted chef, and she or he was up towards Michael Simon on the time, however, burrata on high of mussels? (shakes head) It was no good for me, I’m sorry. However I talked to her and let her know why I didn’t prefer it. And it’s simply my opinion. She made the burrata from scratch, she made the mozzarella from scratch, so there was rather a lot to admire concerning the dish. Perhaps you like burrata in your mussels, I don’t know. However because the decide, that was my judgement. However even the worst in that enviornment are higher than most others on the market at present.

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Brian: Nicely, it undoubtedly takes guts and expertise to place your self on the market like that.

Mario: It does. You already know, I get lots of people saying, “When are you going to get me on Iron Chef? How do I get on Iron Chef?” I take a look at them and say, “Do you actually need to go on Iron Chef?” You’re solely there for sooner or later, you don’t know any of the tools there, you don’t know the place something is within the pantry. You’re underneath large stress for 60 minutes, as a result of the cooking is definitely accomplished in actual time, simply 60 minutes! It’s chaos. When you’re simply on the lookout for the satisfaction of it, you may be higher getting it some other place. However in case you are severe and devoted and don’t thoughts being criticized in entrance of an viewers and the entire nation, then it’s for you. And it’s the identical manner you get to Carnegie Corridor: apply.

Brian: Have they ever accomplished pizza on Iron Chef?

Mario: I’m gonna let you know for the primary time, a PMQ unique: We tried to do a battle with pizza. However we couldn’t get the hearth division to log out on it. We even tried to set it up on the roof of Chelsea Market! However there was a tough problem in getting these heavy ovens up there. So, there was a battle for pizza within the making, however the concept obtained burnt out.

Brian: What’s your favourite ingredient and why?

Mario: That may be a powerful query. I undoubtedly love to make use of rice in my kitchen, but when we’re speaking about utilizing it on pizza, it must be arugula. I imply, arugula is such a pleasant, bitter inexperienced. You’ll be able to pair it with a pair extra bitter inexperienced objects in there, and it’ll make your pizza utterly totally different.As an alternative of only a bland cheese pizza, you may at all times use that to attempt to spice it up slightly. One other one in every of my favourite components, though possibly not relevant to pizza, is pomegranate. I like to get my palms good and brown and soiled to get all of the seeds out of there. It is vitally wholesome for you, and it brings again so many nice reminiscences for me. It makes me extraordinarily proud to see my youngsters ask for me to wash up a pomegranate for them to take pleasure in. It’s an merchandise stuffed with nice, wholesome advantages.

Pepperoni Pizza with Mozzarella cheese, salami, Tomato sauce, pepper, Spices and Fresh arugula. Italian pizza on Dark grey black slate background
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Brian: What about your least favourite ingredient?

Mario: The one I exploit the least needs to be sizzling peppers. Crushed peppers. It’s one in every of my least favourite components. When you utterly need to destroy a dish, when you put an excessive amount of of that in, you’re accomplished. If it’s too spicy, you may’t style anything. I keep in mind on Iron Chef, as a matter of truth, one in every of our contestants misplaced a battle as a result of they put sizzling peppers in every single place. I assumed, “You’re killing me. You made such an incredible dish, and also you killed all the flavour.” In order that’s my least favourite ingredient, along with garlic, for all the identical causes. When you use an excessive amount of, then all you style is garlic.

Brian: Is there any ingredient you will have but to style or work with that you simply wish to check out?

Mario: I’ve tasted this ingredient, however I’ve but to work with it: jicama. It seems to be like a potato, however it’s undoubtedly not a potato. It’s juicy, candy and crunchy and is often eaten uncooked. It has a really fascinating taste profile. There’s a little trace of a carrot, however it isn’t a carrot, and a few cucumber, however it isn’t a cucumber.

Brian: How essential do you suppose it’s for pizzerias to purchase native components?

Mario:  It needs to be accomplished proper. I’ve seen locations that provide domestically grown coconuts and pineapples in Illinois. I’m sorry, however these should not native components and possibly aren’t the most effective variations of that ingredient. Be sure it’s a true, native ingredient and grown domestically to make sure high quality. Now, I’ve heard different individuals say they contemplate “domestically grown” to be a 250-mile radius round Chicago. That’s simply not that native to me. It’s good to help the area people, however simply watch out what you label “native components” in your menu. I’d say from the center, please let’s use merchandise which can be naturally grown and grown in season.